*** Q:By and large no one complains about DVD quality, so here are we not looking at maintaining quality, whilst reducing bandwidth? Can it not also be said (with reference to DVDs) that it enabled far, far better than VHS quality at a sensible cost? So it WAS developed for quality?
A: Yes, but now you've stumbled exactly into the quagmire that is MPEG-2 interframe recording. MPEG-2 works quite well as a DELIVERY medium. MPEG-2 is not a synchronous codec with equivalent encode/decode times. DV and its variants are. It takes equal amount of time to encode as it does to decode. So realtime encoding at best quality is easily achievable.
But MPEG-2 is not that way. MPEG-2 was designed as a DELIVERY codec, not for acquisition! It can be very extensively processed, running multiple passes to optimize it to extraordinarily high quality within a given bitrate. But that means the encoding time might be 2x, or 10x, or 50x, or 100x as long as the decode time. Optimizing and improving and making the very most of the available bandwidth.
Can't happen in a camcorder. In a camcorder you're getting realtime encoding at nowhere near the efficiency of what's possible in a standalone encoding station. By very design you're getting the least-efficient MPEG encoding possible, being done not on a full program stream but on each individual group, and the differences from group to group can be extreme.
It's a great idea for delivery. But it's a lousy idea for source footage. ***
There's a reason that I can go down to my local Panavision and pick up a HVX, but I can't find a XDCAM anywhere. And to top it off, the 16gb SxS cards are expected to be around $900 - which is right in line with P2 cards.
So is it a terrible camera? Absolutely not. The PMW is a great addition to the marketplace. So check your fanboyism at the door and be excited that there are so many choices for HD Video- Each with it’s own pros and cons.
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Colin @ Sep 18th 2007 12:28AM
Perhaps you should take some of your advice! I didn't see any support for any of your blanket statements...
So how about this: achieving lower bit rate by using 4:2:0 long-GOP MPEG-2 isn't acceptable when shooting stuff like green screen for broadcasters. (http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14929&view=next&sid=).
Or here's what Berry Green has to say (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=1048065):
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Q:By and large no one complains about DVD quality, so here are we not looking at maintaining quality, whilst reducing bandwidth? Can it not also be said (with reference to DVDs) that it enabled far, far better than VHS quality at a sensible cost? So it WAS developed for quality?
A: Yes, but now you've stumbled exactly into the quagmire that is MPEG-2 interframe recording. MPEG-2 works quite well as a DELIVERY medium. MPEG-2 is not a synchronous codec with equivalent encode/decode times. DV and its variants are. It takes equal amount of time to encode as it does to decode. So realtime encoding at best quality is easily achievable.
But MPEG-2 is not that way. MPEG-2 was designed as a DELIVERY codec, not for acquisition! It can be very extensively processed, running multiple passes to optimize it to extraordinarily high quality within a given bitrate. But that means the encoding time might be 2x, or 10x, or 50x, or 100x as long as the decode time. Optimizing and improving and making the very most of the available bandwidth.
Can't happen in a camcorder. In a camcorder you're getting realtime encoding at nowhere near the efficiency of what's possible in a standalone encoding station. By very design you're getting the least-efficient MPEG encoding possible, being done not on a full program stream but on each individual group, and the differences from group to group can be extreme.
It's a great idea for delivery. But it's a lousy idea for source footage.
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There's a reason that I can go down to my local Panavision and pick up a HVX, but I can't find a XDCAM anywhere. And to top it off, the 16gb SxS cards are expected to be around $900 - which is right in line with P2 cards.
So is it a terrible camera? Absolutely not. The PMW is a great addition to the marketplace. So check your fanboyism at the door and be excited that there are so many choices for HD Video- Each with it’s own pros and cons.