[metfoo @ Sep 5th 2007 9:44PM]

why are they focusing so much on the high end. Bluray is doomed if they cannot drop the price to match hd dvd

[Jack @ Sep 5th 2007 10:27PM]

HD DVD is so cheap because they are losing. They are selling the players at a loss and bribing studios to go exclusive to stay in the format war.

[Wolfticket @ Sep 5th 2007 10:46PM]

Since when was selling the players at a loss and bribing studios to go exclusive not the only way to win a format war?

[zargon @ Sep 5th 2007 10:56PM]

Jack stop spreading your FUD?

Care to share a link or two to prove you claims? I doubt that you can, because one doesn't exist.

Just get over it and learn to face the fact that HD-DVD players are cheaper than Blu-ray. It has nothing to do with the format losing or winning for that matter of fact. It just means that HD-DVD players are cheaper to produce, nothing more, nothing less.

If anyone is subsidizing players, it would be Sony and the BDA camp. They have had to drop the price of the players quicker than expected to try to match HD-DVD player prices.

If you want to talk about studio bribing, never mind the fact that no real proof has surfaced to back up this claim for Paramount/Dreamworks and never mind the fact that it is called business. BDA has done the same thing and not just with studios, but with Target and other companies. So how is HD-DVD any worse than Blu-ray, care to enlighten us?

I suspect you with have nothing of value to come back with. You have never had anything of value to post other than FUD and bold lies. You may just want to head to the cesspool known as Blu-ray.com where you and everyone else can believe those FUD and lies.

[Staticneuron @ Sep 5th 2007 11:37PM]

Zargon, I do not know if you have been living in a hole but the New York times were the ones that reported the buy out and even more shocking is that they also put forth the information of an 18 month exclusivity deal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/technology/21disney.html?ei=5088&en=d4e1f285e2f41437&ex=1345348800&adxnnl=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1187698143-B5wO3L/F+4r1NyAsum87vQ

Normally, when companies trade camps they never make public the length of time that they are required to be exclusive. Why... because it negates them being exclusive. For the patient people, they will just wait. How any one supporting HD-DVD, can try to explain away the pay-off (which no companies really deny) and the sheer fact that they let the date loose on the same day, boggles my mind.

You can do a quick search to find other reputable sites claiming the same. Now can you provide me a link that claims that the BDA paid target or anyother company to go exclusive?

And folks, yes sony is the face but they are not above or seperate from the BDA.

[zargon @ Sep 6th 2007 8:08AM]

Staticneuron

The NYT article was discredited day one. It is rumor and hearsay, no one was paid to go exclusive. Recently, Toshiba helped clear the air on this. Paramount and Dreamworks were looking to make the switch. Toshiba will be helping support their move by way of promotion of the format and movies. NYT, like all the crappy media out there just itching to be the first to break a story, jumped the gun on this one.

The rumors that they were paid to go exclusive and the fictional 18th month contract is just FUD being spread by the Blu-ray camp.

As for the Target deal, here is a link.

http://www.betanews.com/article/Target_to_Push_Bluray_Over_HD_DVD/1185464777

This is just one example of Sony and BDA paying off companies for exclusive and end cap space. Also, the movie studios exclusive to Blu-ray would not deny nor confirm if they were paid off with one company saying "no comment." The way they handled it, it really seems like some of those parties are guilty. And when we use your logic... I don't now how anyone supporting Blu-ray, can try to explain away that Blu-ray exclusive studios did not receive money to make that decision.

What it boils down to is the FUD that Sony and BDA are spreading and that all these mindless sheep are just eating it up. I don't get how Sony and BDA have been doing all of this, paying off studios and companies for some form of exclusive deal with Blu-ray, but all these Blu-ray fanboys are screaming blood murder at the potential of HD-DVD doing it.

[staticneuron @ Sep 6th 2007 12:38PM]

Really Zargon?

http://www.avrev.com/news/0707/26.target118.shtml

"While Sony is paying a premium price for the endcap promotion, Sony suggests that it was Target that came to them with the idea."

What makes you think the HD-DVD camp is not paying out the shills?

Let me enlighten you on something. When the BDA board was formed back in 1998, the board contained, and still does contain, 8 out of 10 of the founding members of the DVD forum. You wanna take a guess about how many of the 180+ supporters of BD are also from the 220 associates on the DVD forum.

I highly doubt that all these companies were paid because blu ray has an such incredible amount of support it boggles the mind to think of the numbers that would be involved with purchasing the support. Independant studios, acer and another chinese company has joined in support of Blu ray and daewoo is stepping into the game with the first 2.0 profile player.

I honestly think the HD-DVD supporters are the ones in the deluded camp.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Hardware/Sony/CEDIA/Report:_Sony_Says_Blu-ray_Standalone_Players_Out-Selling_HD_DVD/936

Stand alone BR players are outselling stand alone HD players and

"According to the British web site Pocket-lint, studio execs visibly wriggled on stage as they were put the Yes/No only question at yesterday's BDA press conference at IFA 2007 in Berlin, Germany.

Ultimately, execs from Warner Bros, Fox, MGM and Sony all denied having accepted financial incentives from the BDA, while Disney's European Marketing VP responded with a "no comment."

The question came as rumors continue to swirl around Paramount's decision to drop Blu-ray support, with published reports stating that the studio received financial incentives amounting to roughly $150 million in exchange for its HD DVD exclusivity.

For its own part, Paramount has stopped short of denying that it received incentives to make the switch, but has consistently emphasized the HD DVD format's manufacturability, reliability and cost as the key factors in its decision."

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Industry_Trends/IFA/Blu-ray_Supporting_Studios_Respond_to_Payoff_Question/919

So there is my info. Where is your debunking of HD-DVD's payout?


Even the parmount head dances around the question in an article in PCworld. As for the 18 month deal " As of now it is indefinate"

Dude, whatever makes you feel comfy at night.